This morning before I arose, I came into a calm state and remained in it for some time; and I spoke with someone during that time about this state - for it was extremely calm, and approached closely to peace. But that it was not the peace I had previously felt, was because my attention was always being draw to other matters, and specifically to a pain which certain spirits caused me in the region of the loins and had now held me in for a second day - and things of that kind. I spoke with him about that happy state of infants, who were said to live in that pleasurable state. I also spoke about that state [of calm]. The spirits who were round about and able to hear the speaking, but not be in that same state, thought I had been transferred to a different place, because they were not able to grasp anything at all as before, except the sound and its effects. Thence arose a discussion of place, and we were taught by the experience that [a place there] is not a specific location - even though many at the same time can be in one place - but that it is a state belonging to a given realm, if you will, into which one can be brought, in whatever place one may be.