2746. But these spirits love nothing better than to attract the minds of other spirits by their sly methods, by right means or wrong, and thus love nothing better than to trick them by lies or other kinds of deception familiar to them. Therefore when I woke up, while they were still busy speaking as if they were I by their own arts-which would be incomprehensible to an earthly human if they were made known-noticing that I had woken up in the night, they wanted to make up lies and then steal away. When the upright spirits whom they had tricked observed this and were becoming angry, there came those who punished them, inflicting intense torment, and tearing them to shreds by a method of punishment spoken of earlier, I believe [404, 1071-5], doing so piece by piece and bit by bit, by a pulling apart and alternate striking together, so there was nothing left of them but fragments. Thus they do try to break them up piece by piece and bit by bit, but a spirit cannot be broken up nor perish. Yet this punishment occurs with extreme torment and pain.