About these I spoke with spirits, such as perverse marital love, adulteries, whoredoms, these cannot exist but from true marriage love, but which falls into the perverse, and becomes such. Even the love toward children, when it is in the perverse, is likewise on account of evil motives. Then there are those who seek immortality, and do not care for life, for the sake of fame, and many other cases. 1748, 19 Sept.