520. One of their spirits of the lowest kind was brought to me, so that I might learn from him what they are like. As to his condition, this one was from among those who are dark, who seem to themselves to be flying in heaven, like swimmers in water, with their arms outstretched. This comes from the fact that in the life of the body, they do not walk upright, but creep, yet with their face looking straight forward, but not down, which to them is a disgrace, and characteristic of the very lowest kind. Those who look downward, they call the damned, and they are banished, to seek sustenance for themselves elsewhere. Besides this, like the people of our planet, they sit on seats, and are then upright. Therefore the second kind, called saintly, whose face looks fiery, do not swim in heaven like [the first], but sit.