736. [verse 9] 'This is the mind having wisdom' signifies that this interpretation is in the natural sense but is for those who are in the spiritual sense from the Lord. 'This is the mind' signifies that this is the understanding and interpretation of the things that have been seen. 'Having wisdom' signifies for those who are wise interiorly. That it is an interpretation in the natural sense for those who are in the spiritual sense is because the interpretation is made by the angel in the natural and not in the spiritual sense, for he said that the seven heads of the beast were 'seven mountains', and also that they were 'seven kings', and that 'one of them is' and 'another is not yet come', also that the beast 'is the eighth and is of the seven', besides more things that follow up to the end of the chapter; and these things cannot be understood except by those who are in the spiritual sense from the Lord. This therefore is signified by 'having wisdom'. That the interpretation by the angel was made in the natural and not in the spiritual sense is because the natural sense is the basis, the containant and the support of the spiritual and celestial senses thereof, as may be seen in THE DOCTRINE OF THE NEW JERUSALEM CONCERNING THE SACRED SCRIPTURE (n. 27-49). For this reason also the interpretations elsewhere in the Word have been given in the natural sense, and these still cannot be understood interiorly except by means of the spiritual sense, as can be seen in the case of the Prophets, and also the Evangelists, in many places.