449. HEAVEN AND HEAVENLY JOY Up to now nobody has known what heaven and heavenly joy are. People who have thought about either of them have conceived so general and so crude an idea as to be scarcely any idea at all. From spirits who have recently arrived in the next life from the world I have been enabled to know perfectly well what sort of notion they had conceived about heaven and heavenly joy. For when left to themselves, as if they were still living in the world, they go on thinking as they have done before. Let just a few examples be presented.