5603. 'And Judah said to Israel his father' means a perception received from the good of the Church regarding these matters. This is clear from the meaning of 'saying' in the historical narratives of the Word as perceiving, often dealt with already; from the representation of 'Judah' as the good of the Church, dealt with above in 5583; and from the representation of 'Israel' as the internal spiritual Church, dealt with in 3305, 4286. From this it is evident that 'Judah said to Israel his father' means a perception the Church had which it received from its own good.