294. [271.] It was also shown them that they speak spiritually, write spiritually, and think spiritually, and that they themselves do not know but that they do all these things naturally. This occasioned me to inform them that there is no proportional relation between something spiritual and something natural, thus no connection by a continuous relationship but by a discrete one which exists through correspondences, and that this connection causes a similarity of the two as though the two were one. They were a little resentful that they had not discovered this. However, they were shown that each degree has in it an internal element and an external one, the external one corresponding to the internal, and that their external forms are in appearance seemingly material, even though they are not material. They were shown, too, by their ascending to the third heaven, that there is a similar connection between the celestial and spiritual degrees as there is between the spiritual and natural ones, namely, that there is no proportional relation; in other words, that something natural cannot by a continual purification become spiritual, nor something spiritual become celestial; thus that there is no connection by any approximation, but one such as exists between cause and effect, or between the soul and body.