1179. But when I said to them that if perchance I were to take something from their mouth, and should say that in their words there were more interior arcana, and should praise their wisdom because of such hidden things in their discourse, then they would perhaps smile with pleasure. But they were silent. I perceived, nevertheless, that such a speech would be agreeable to them because it would flatter their nature; thus it can be perceived that they were also imbued with the love of self. But the reason why they are in the interior heaven is too hidden to be published.