1253. Some of them said that they were acting as if of themselves and therefore supposed that they were the ones who were acting; but others who were above the head said that they were concurring, not by acting, but as it were by following. I said to them that still it was nothing but their phantasy, for they could not be my body; but that my spirit, not theirs, was clothed with a body. To this they could make no response.