860. Later, I said to him, Do you not think that you are a man, clothed with garments, and like a man on earth? He touched the seeming [quasi] garments which he supposed he had; he touched the hands he supposed he had. And I asked him where he was? Whether he had feet? He said that he had. Also, when he was asked what ground it was upon which he was standing - was it not in a sphere above the earth? - he acknowledged that it was so. Wherefore I recalled to his perception whether or not such things are only fallacies of sense and a fantasy, because he was a spirit. Having been thus convinced he wanted to flee away, and said that he had been persuaded by others so to act. He could thus recognize that they, and thousands of such things which are false, were mere fallacies of sense; wherefore if we were to believe only what we understood we should then believe only things that are false. And this being the case as regards merely worldly and corporeal things, how then could he say he was unwilling to believe anything which he did not understand as regards spiritual and celestial things, because they are more remote, yea most remote from the senses; and unless one believes those things which are true, and thus [is willing] to be in the way of truth, he can by no means be admitted into heaven. 1748, Feb. 18.