Those coming for the first time into the other life think for sure that they are still in the body, and they are quite surprised when told that they are not in or clothed with a body, but are spirits and are in the other life. When they reflect on all this, also [hearing it] from others, then they know that they are spirits. And when they wonder how they can be living after their death, they are told that it is not the body that lives, but the spirit in the body, and that the body exists only to be serviceable to the spirit, as everyone is able to know who pays attention. But those who live only for the body think that everything exists for the sake of the body. Therefore, they live the life of brute animals, which do not think beyond it. This was the kind of conversation I had today with a spirit who did not know he was in the other life, nor that there was another life.