2333. for they have the clear sensation of touching a part of the body, prodding it, speaking into the ear, not at all supposing that they are not there. Yet, as said, they may be some thousands of miles away, for they have to be in some place. They were told that it is an illusion of the senses when they think themselves so near, but they cannot be induced to believe it because they trust their senses. They were also told that there are no distances in the spiritual world, still less in the heavens, just as there are not to our sight even between ourselves and the sun, but we judge distances by intervening objects, as well as by previous knowledge. How [much more] would this not be the case in the spiritual world!