64. Many of the Roman Catholics, especially monks, on reaching the spiritual world look for the saints, each seeking the saint to whose order he belongs. They are surprised at not finding them. But later on they are taught that they are not kept apart from those who are in the heavens or in the hells, depending on how each has lived in the world; and that in either case they know nothing of the veneration and invocations addressed to them. Those who do know of it and wish to be called upon are in that separate hell in a state of delirium. The veneration of the saints is such an abomination in heaven that its bare mention causes horror, since in so far as veneration is directed to any human being, so far is it taken away from the Lord. For in these circumstances the Lord cannot be the sole object of veneration, and if He is not this, a separation is made which does away with communion with Him, and the happiness of life which flows from it.