* About those auras [WE 5169 ff.], I once had a conversation with certain of the spirits. [See also the rest of WE 5172-74, concluding the explanation of Exod. 30:3.] [See WE 5175-78, explaining Exod. 30:4.] 5179. Order itself in general is portrayed by a "ring," but in that case order is viewed as arising from the innermost and descending to the last, then ascending from the last; thus as a descent and ascent through a circle. But here this is not the case.