1865. Afterwards I asked those who were speaking with me what kind of punishments these types undergo in the other life. For now I had found out that this one had recently departed from life after having committed that kind of crime. This is what was meant by his saying that he had just come away from a person whom he had killed. So that very crime was clinging to him now, which he was obliged to make known. The other spirits certainly felt this, and they held him off, so there was some delay before they were willing to allow him to come to me. But as for their punishments, I was told that these spirits roam in the desert, and, in fact, just as the murderers spoken of earlier do in the forests [1781-6]; and they are not allowed to be with others.