It occurs very often every day that certain ones are expelled from heaven and reduced to lower spirits. Some of them spoke with me after having been expelled. The reason is that they embrace some falsity and therefore when among those who embrace the truth, they cannot help being distressed, because at once the truth of others and of the whole heaven, in common and individually in the society where they are, presents itself. Therefore, unless they withdraw-and then they seem to themselves to be expelled and to slip down, or fall down-they cannot but be gravely tormented.