3058. Finally I spoke with them where they were in that very high place, repeating to me, also because they were so much in the state of their bodily life, that they did not believe in spirits nor that anyone could speak with spirits. Now they were thinking the same, because they were in that state. Then I said to them that one must believe one's senses, such as sight, smell, taste, hearing, touch, with a thousand variations now almost for 3 1/2 years-that then one must believe that it exists-now, that I am writing the same words in front of them which no human being could do unless he or she were together with spirits, for otherwise, to write them in this way cannot be done by anyone. But finally for once and for all they admitted that the matter so stands, and that I do speak with spirits. 1748, 5 Sept.