3057. When this had been done by them two or three times, they came into the fantasies they had also had in bodily life that speaking with spirits is a fantasy, so they had not believed anyone spoke with spirits, consequently that spirits did not exist, which was the implication. So just when they were in that same state of mind, and wanting to inflict evil on another, they were at once snatched up to a very high place almost overhead and suffered the same thing they were intending for the other, which was that they appeared, even to themselves, as torn clothing. Meanwhile they were kept in their own fantasy of trying to divert [evil] on others, and thus draw others into punishments together with themselves, and even to substitute others in their place, which is contrary to love of the neighbor. And they were kept in that state of diverting to others what they themselves had done, and thus of a certain deceit of accusing others for it, even until it appeared to lessen. A diversion to others is clearly recognized by their holding the others in their mind and then wanting to take them away with them. Whomsoever their mind laid hold of, they took.