Their good spirits were anxious that I should not publish anything I have heard from them, for among them it is forbidden, and punishable, to divulge what spirits speak to any outside of their family - thus except to closest friends and married partners, and children to their own parents. 1) But I replied to them that on this earth, the situation is different in that spirits and angels do not speak with people, nor do people hear what a spirit is saying, because their thoughts are immersed in worldly and bodily concerns. And it is their nature not to believe anything the senses do not grasp, so that many do not even believe there are spirits and angels, thus that there is a heaven, or a life after death, still less that the one only Lord rules all things and all people - these facts they comprehend all the less because they judge from the ideas of the outer senses, which are so limited, corporeal and material, that they grasp nothing of that kind, but cloak it all in darkness, and consequently in doubts, causing people to deny inwardly. 2) In fact today, even these things that have been seen and heard by me concerning people on another earth, many do not believe, but roll up in various wrappings, calling them fantasies; and if they dared, they would even call fantasies anything they read in their holy Word - so unbelieving they are! So what they will have thought about these matters among themselves, I do not yet know.