I spoke with some who had died not so many years earlier, but were still among good spirits not yet let into heaven, who inwardly still desired honor in the world, or some kind of acclaim for their name among mortals on earth. I was also enabled to feel this their ambition. Then I spoke with them, and I said that this is something worldly still remaining, and that a heavenly attitude is to desire nothing of the kind, but rather to scorn it.