615. 'And as the voice of loud thunder' signifies the Lord speaking through the New Heaven out of Divine Love. That 'lightnings, thunders and voices' signify enlightenment, perception and instruction may be seen above (n. 236), and that 'the seven thunders speaking' signify the Lord speaking through the entire heaven (n. 472). The Lord when He speaks through heaven speaks out of the third heaven through the second heaven, thus out of Love through Divine Wisdom, for the third heaven is in His Divine Love and the second heaven in His Divine Wisdom. The Lord never speaks otherwise when speaking out of the higher heavens. And these are the things that are understood by the 'voice as of many waters' and by 'the voice of loud thunder'. The 'many waters' are the Divine Truths of Divine Wisdom, and the 'loud thunder' is the Divine Good of Divine Love.