4748. [4760] CONCERNING THE MOST CUNNING. RICHELIEU. Certain ones in the other life are so cunning, that they do not say aught but what is just and equitable, and good and true; and they have, also, reduced themselves to that state, so fully, that they do not think otherwise, so far as comes to the perception of those who are near; but, still, they have evil ends, as, for example, that of ruling over others. These ends are in an interior sphere. The spirits who are thence were also shown, and were inwardly in the breast, on the left side, and devised evil. There are also others of a grosser sort, who also govern by speaking the truth [as Postmaster Bunge], concerning whom I have spoken previously. Since he desired it, he was admitted thither; but he was comparatively gross. He was in that society, and there, as is said, was ill-treated, like one who was comparatively insane. [4761] The former ones are of such a character, that, when they are thinking, there is heard a hissing like that of serpents, which comes from their ends, which are thus perceived in a lower sphere.