224. Moreover, I talked with a preacher about the holy state in which those are who listen to the preachings in the temples. He said that every one is pious, devout and holy in accordance with his interiors, and these interiors are [formed] of love and faith in which is what is holy itself because the Divine of the Lord is in them. He also declared that he knew nothing about outward holiness apart from love and faith. When he thought of external holiness separate from love and faith, he said that possibly it would be something counterfeiting holiness in outward appearance, either acquired by art or hypocritical, and that some spurious fire from the love of self and the world may kindle it and keep it going.