4944. Christians coming from the world who have led morally good lives and possessed some degree of charity towards the neighbour, but who have cared little about spiritual matters, are for the most part sent to places beneath the feet and soles of the feet where they are kept until they get rid of the natural interests in which they have been immersed and become absorbed in spiritual and celestial interests insofar as these are in keeping with the life they lead. Once they have become absorbed in these they are raised up from there to heavenly communities. On several occasions I have seen them emerging and have observed their gladness because they were going into heavenly light.