5464. 'And your words will be verified' means that in this case those truths will be exactly as they have been declared to be. This becomes clear without explanation. For what the brothers, and consequently what the truths known to the Church represented by those brothers, declared themselves to be, see above in 5434-5456. The implications of all this are as follows: People who are interested in the truths known to the Church solely for the sake of material gain can declare, just as well as others do, what the situation is with regard to truths. They can just as well declare, for example, that truths do not become a person's own unless they have been joined to the interior man, and indeed that they cannot be so joined except by means of good, and also that truths do not possess any life until this is done. At times they see these matters and others like them just as well as anyone else does, and sometimes their discernment of them seems even better. Yet this is so only when they talk to other people about such matters. When they talk to themselves about them, thus to their interior man - when, that is, they think about those matters - those who are interested in the truths known to the Church merely for the sake of their own gain contemplate ideas contrary to those truths. But even though they contemplate such contrary ideas and refuse in their hearts to accept those truths, they are still able to convince others that a thing is true, and indeed to do so in the same way as those who really are interested in truths.