1463. How greatly those who insist upon the literal sense deceive themselves can be evident from just one example concerning which I have also spoken with spirits and angels, namely, that the 12 Apostles were to sit upon 12 thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. Seeing that 10 of the tribes were at that time dispersed, how were they to be judged? That they should sit upon thrones does not agree with the fact that even when they were with the Lord the Apostles, who were simple men, did not understand what the Kingdom of God is; wherefore they cannot judge even a single man or soul. This also was affirmed. There are other similar things of which the Word in both Testaments is full.