2705. There was then a conversation with spirits about these matters, and I was informed that such cannot be tolerated among other spirits but are rejected as excrements from their societies, a firmly established process resulting from the laws of order of earthly, spiritual, and heavenly things, about which they also spoke with me. For all heavenly society is founded in marriage love, from which all loves and feelings of goodness are derived, consequently in innocence. These principles both of love and of innocence they try to destroy with their lusts, for they are not only entirely against marriage love, which they hold in hatred, but they are also against innocence, which they injure even to the point of killing, besides which they lead the innocent, who can be imbued with marriage love, to live afterwards in prostitution, thus murdering their deeper nature. For it is well enough known that the first flower of love introduces virgins to marriage love and joins together the souls of the partners. About these things spirits spoke with me.