I have not yet observed who ascend by this way or that, but that some ascend close to the back toward the head, some arriving at the neck and outside the head come into the world of spirits, some through the inward parts of the head, some I suppose through the inward parts of the body, and thus variously. It was granted me to observe this many times. Some upon arriving at the region of the loins are carried between the loins, this I have often been enabled to feel physically. And I did feel this as if in myself, as I initially interpreted it, but because place in the other life is not anything, but places [are allotted] according to the nature of the spirits, it would be felt in the same way even if they were carried up from a thousand or many thousands of miles into the world of spirits, and indeed from the lower earth. Some were brought perceptibly through the left foot. Some are lifted up toward the higher parts of the head and in fact above the middle of the head, and are there borne into a kind of spiral. This is the best case.