In that tranquility I spoke with certain ones, calmly, and I presume within earshot of some of the apostles, saying that the Church of the Lord has been promoted for the most part by the evil, namely, by those having other motives, and in fact motivated by the loves of themselves. Take for example the apostles, who had the ambition of judging the whole world, and others in the [Christian] world who introduced the doctrines of faith for selfish reasons, among others, as in Sweden, England, and elsewhere. Then today among the pontiffs who uphold the teachings of faith in the Lord so that they may possess all things on earth and in heaven, for they know that they cannot be worshiped, and would therefore lose everything, if the pope were called the most high and not vicarious, for then they would also lose everything. These things are permitted for the reason that good may come of them. 1748, 2 Sept. For a not unlike reason, the Mohammedan heaven was opened [339], and the heaven of Jupiter [cf. 1113], by those who wanted to seek a different Lord.